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Healio Rheuminations


Jul 28, 2025

In this episode, we focus on the history of researchers discovering the clinical applicability of the IL 23/17 axis, with a particular emphasis on psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis and axial SpA

  • Intro 0:15
  • In this episode 0:27
  • Leonard Calabrese, DO, is listening! 1:07
  • Recap of last episode 3:23
  • Putting the pieces together 5:32
  • Quick overview of this science heavy episode 6:27
  • What is psoriasis? 7:42
  • Immunosuppressants for psoriasis/ Throwing meds at people and seeing what happens 10:20
  • In the modern world of 1986 – olive oil placebo trial 11:45
  • A quick aside into fungi 12:44
  • What kind of T-cells are involved here? 16:50
  • The TH-1 hypothesis 18:31
  • IL-23 and IL-17 are doing something 19:38
  • Going back to the drawing board in 2004 20:12
  • p40 + p19 = IL-23 21:08
  • IL-23 via minicircle DNA in mice 23:09
  • Brand new and shiny TH-17 25:30
  • The family of IL-17 26:40
  • What do we know about IL-17 and psoriasis? 27:17
  • IL-17A vs IL-17F in mouse studies 27:42
  • Finding the difference between IL-17A and IL-17F in humans 28:30
  • What exactly is IL-17 doing? 29:51
  • The articular manifestations of psoriatic arthritis 31:13
  • Spondylarthritis and the IL 23/17 axis 34:10
  • T-cells we haven’t talked about 35:49
  • Summary of this episode 39:17
  • Thanks for listening 41:38

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